This product is the perfect size for everything and anything. I use it for travel , perfect size for carry-on , for a 4 day stay any where. I install a 3L bladder and take it hiking , biking , camping , beach trip , and it's perfect size enables for a good size lunchpack for work . This item is I great EDC pack , you'll find out how much can haul , you won't need any other pack. Great pack for the price .